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Liberal Camille Paglia: Transgender Surgery 'Can't Change Anyone's Sex' -- DNA is Set
Author and social critic Camille
Paglia. (latercera.com)
“I think that the transgender propagandists make wildly inflated claims about the multiplicity of gender," said Paglia during an interview on Roda Viva Internacional.
"In sex-reassignment surgery, even today, with all of its advances, cannot, in fact, change anyone’s sex," she said. "You can define yourself as a trans man or a trans woman or one of these new gradations along the scale, but ultimately every single cell in the human body, the DNA in that cell remains coded for your biological birth."
"So there are a lot of lies being propagated at the present moment," she said, "which I think is not in anyone’s best interests."
Paglia then remarked that encouraging gender fluidity or transgenderism in children is abusive, adding that people need to grow and develop before possibly making drastic, life-changing decisions about gender.
“What I’m concerned about is the popularity and the availability of sex-reassignment surgery to someone who doesn’t feel that he or she belongs to the biological birth gender, and people are being encouraged to intervene in the process," said Paglia.
"Parents are now encouraged to subject the child to procedures that I think are a form of child abuse, either with hormones to slow puberty, actual surgical manipulations, etcetera," she said.
"I think this is wrong, that people should wait until an informed age of consent," said Paglia, author of the best seller Sexual Personae. "Parents should not be doing this to their children."
Paglia, 70, is a professor at the University of the Arts in Philadelphia. She is the author of seven books. She frequently comments on current affairs and lectures in myriad venues in the United States and abroad.
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In fact, Camille Paglia is herself transgender.
In an interview posted on the Weekly Standard, she said, "Although I describe myself as transgender (I was donning flamboyant male costumes from early childhood on), I am highly skeptical about the current transgender wave, which I think has been produced by far more complicated psychological and sociological factors than current gender discourse allows. Furthermore, I condemn the escalating prescription of puberty blockers (whose long-term effects are unknown) for children. I regard this
practice as a criminal violation of human rights."
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MacGuffin 2 years ago
The rise of trannyism is a perverse mirror image of the rise of jihadism. Jihadism seeks to exterminate freedom, and trannyism seeks to exterminate reality.
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CharlieSeattle 2 years ago
If you can't accept who you are, and how you were born, then why would you expect others to accept who you're not??
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tout venant 2 years ago
There are either 2 genders or none.
Gender, as is scientifically known, is no different to sex.
Defined by whether or not you have a Y chromosome. There is no alternative to male or female (even hermaphrodites - they still have chromosomes so are still male or female).
Now, if you believe modern sociology, you will be told
and brainwashed into thinking gender is a fluid construct, where you can be what you want to be. There is literally nothing in physics, chemistry or biology that supports this.
But ok, let's roll with it. Let's admit what the 'Genders advocates' tells us.
They essentially say gender is made up. They are changing the very definition of the word to say this, by the way. But it also means you can be anything you want, man, woman, or a million other things in between or outside….. so basically made up.
By their changing of the word, they have made up something that didn't exist.
Ergo there are no genders by their definition.
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Grogneux tout venant 2 years ago
There isn't "litteraly nothing". First of all, defining the gender of someone by his/her chromosome X/Y is a choice in itself, and isn't something admitted by all scientists.
I send you to the comment of Joanna Clark below for the rest.
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tout venant Grogneux 2 years ago
Scienstist or ideologue ? Lissenkists, maybe ? Not biologists, anyway...
'Anything' is practically indestinguishable from 'nothing', as a category.
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MAGAbreath 2 years ago
Liberal Paglia says something sensible. She is calling out the science deniers.
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Joanna Clark 2 years ago
Ms. Paglia is correct when she says sex reassignment surgery will not change the individual's DNA, but, at the same time, she demonstrates ignorance of the errors that can occur during fetal development.
"Gender identity is a person’s inner sense of belonging to a particular gender, such as male or female. It is a deeply felt and core component of human identity. It appears to be related to one’s brain messages and mind functioning, the factors that are now included under the category of neurological sex."
"Every person has a gender identity, which is a deep-seated, deeply felt component of human identity for each person. A person’s gender identity is not a personal decision, preference, or belief. In other words, transgender boys are boys and transgender girls are girls.
"Current science recognizes that gender identity is innate or fixed at a young age and that gender identity has a biological basis."
"At birth, infants are assigned a sex, either male or female, based solely on the appearance of their external genitalia. For most people, that assignment turns out to be accurate and their birth-assigned sex matches that person’s actual sex. However, a transgender person’s birth-assigned sex does not reflect that person’s actual sex."
"By the beginning of the twentieth century, scientific research had established that external genitalia alone—the typical criterion for assigning sex at birth—is not an accurate proxy for a person’s sex. Instead, current medical understanding recognizes that a person’s sex is comprised of a number of components including: chromosomal sex, gonadal sex, fetal hormonal sex (prenatal hormones produced by the gonads), internal morphologic sex (internal genitalia, i.e., ovaries, uterus, testes), external morphological sex (external genitalia, i.e., penis, clitoris, vulva), hypothalamic sex (i.e., sexual differentiations in brain development and structure), pubertal hormonal sex, neurological sex, and gender identity and role."
"When there is a divergence between these factors, neurological sex and related gender identity are the most important and determinative factors."
-- Diane Ehrensaft, Ph.D.
When a person is born with their neurological sex incongruent with their biological, internal and external morphological sex, they are defined as transgender.
Insofar as we do not have the ability to rewire the brain--i.e. Change the neurological sex, we are faced with a paradox. We can let them live out their lives in pain, which often ends in suicide, or we can restructure their anatomy.
It is unfortunate that Ms. Paglia has chosen CBSNEWS to voice her hatred for a subject she has no scientific understanding of.
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Stephen Dexter Joanna Clark a year ago
i might identify as a cat but it doesn't make me a cat.
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Hannah Berg Joanna Clark 2 years ago
You addressed her points and offered other points to refute her argument. Then you demolished everything you were trying to achieve with that last sentence.
You wrote that Camille Paglia has no scientific understanding of the subject and yet you rely on a long quote from, not a scientist, but a doctor of philosophy. Ehrensaft is a psychologist, not a medical doctor or psychiatrist.
You also accuse Camille Paglia of hatred. Camille Paglia believe that she is protecting children. While she could be wrong, she appears less motivated by irrational hatred than some.
In fact, Camille Paglia is herself transgender.
In an interview posted on the Weekly Standard, she said, "Although I describe myself as transgender (I was donning flamboyant male costumes from early childhood on), I am highly skeptical about the current transgender wave, which I think has been produced by far more complicated psychological and sociological factors than current gender discourse allows. Furthermore, I condemn the escalating prescription of puberty blockers (whose long-term effects are unknown) for children. I regard this practice as a criminal violation of human rights."
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Bud L Rokkett 2 years ago
I'm truly curious about something: Do those who have no hesitancy in accepting someone who "identifies" as any gender they choose, also accept someone like Rachel Dolezal, who "identifies" as being black....even though her parents acknowledge that Rachel has zero black ancestry? Does her mere stating that she is black make her so?
From the article: "Dolezal informs me multiple times that black people have rejected her because they simply haven't learned yet that race is a social construct created by white supremacists, they simply don't know any better and don't want to."
Is gender also a "social construct created by white (I assume male) supremacists"?
http://www.thestranger.com/...
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Joanna Clark Bud L Rokkett 2 years ago edited
We are one species HOMO Sapiens, one race - HUMAN. Sixty-five thousand to 103,000 years ago dark skinned humans walked out Africa. They adapted to new environments and became 7.4 billion with an almost infinite range of skin shades between black and white.
The white person is not biologically superior to the black person, nor is the black person biologically superior to the white person. We remain one species- HOMO Sapiens and one race - Human.
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Jonesy Bud L Rokkett 2 years ago
No, they don't accept Dolezal is black and they don't accept that I'm Napoleon even though I identify as him.
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MAGAbreath Jonesy 2 years ago
I lost my identity. Somebody stole it.
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james81 2 years ago
It's amusing that the liberals/"progressives," presumably driven by science/evidence, flee from it when it comes to issues of one's sex. Gender is a social construct and they would have you believe it can be totally dissociated from sex (male or female.)
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tjg1984 james81 2 years ago
It's not necessary to view chromosomal sex and gender as "totally dissociated" to view them as slightly different and not perfectly aligned in 100% of people.
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Occasional-Cortex 2 years ago
If you have XY chromosomes you are a biological male. Along with other s@x specific characteristics.
That's just science.
If you also believe you are a woman you have a psychiatric delusion.
No different than if you think you are invisible or 17 feet tall, with no supporting factual evidence to support such a belief.
The latter are given psychiatric care. The former are celebrated by the Marxist left who try to normalize every s@xual abnormality as part of their ideological agenda.
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Joanna Clark Occasional-Cortex 2 years ago
Then how do you define androgen insensitivity syndrome? The gonads differentiate as testicles, as you would suspect they would with XY chromosomes, but the cells don't recognize the androgen they produce, so the infants genitals and neurological sex differentiate female.
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jessica valdes Occasional-Cortex 2 years ago
There are some born fertile XY females. There goes your entire thesis. LOL
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Bud L Rokkett jessica valdes 2 years ago edited
Jessica, you are either misinformed or being intentionally misleading to somehow validate a point. Your first sentence is factually incorrect. There are NO "born fertile XY females". Read on:
The condition you refer to is called Swyer syndrome. A person with Swyer syndrome has NONFUNCTIONING gonads (ovaries or testes), which is why Swyer syndrome is also called "46,XY complete gonadal dysgenesis"...with the term "dysgenesis" defined as "abnormal organ development during embryonic growth and development". MOST people with Swyer syndrome do not have a uterus. In the very rare case where a uterus does exist, because the ovaries are, to repeat, NONFUNCTIONING, she cannot produce an ova (egg). If a female cannot ovulate, she is infertile. That's not a theory, that is commonly accepted medical terminology, and I've shown the definition by the Mayo Clinic (below). There ARE no "fertile XY females", as you incorrectly stated above.
Can a woman with Swyer syndrome who happens to have a uterus become pregnant? Yes, but with a big "HOWEVER". Because the ovaries are non-functioning, a donated egg MUST be utilized, because she can't make one herself. The uterus then becomes the host vessel, no different than a "test tube baby". There is even a case where such an instance produced TWINS! But the fact remains that the woman is, indeed, infertile.
Swyer syndrome is rare, occurring in approximately 1 in 80,000 people, or 0.00125% of the population. There are approximately 320 million people in the USA, so the expected number of people with Swyer syndrome in the USA would be +/- 4,000. Contrast that with the number of people in the USA who identify as "transgender": 0.6% of the population, or 1.4 million individuals. Of the approx. 1,400,000 self-identified transgender people in the USA, 1,396,000 are NOT affected by Swyer syndrome.
I have no dog in the hunt regarding those who identify as transgender. But you may want to post a different rebuttal to John C (as well as the others with whom you've used your "born fertile XY females" argument in this thread), because that particular premise is incorrect.
If you disagree with ANY of my assertions and feel the desire to debate one or more, kindly back up your own rebuttal with references from reliable web resources...as I have below.
For your reference:
https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/con...
http://genetics.thetech.org...
https://williamsinstitute.l...
http://www.mayoclinic.org/d...
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jessica valdes Bud L Rokkett 2 years ago
I am not incorrect and am not referring to Swyers or de la Chapelle's. To qualify for those syndromes they must meet the diagnostic and clinical criteria described by Dr Swyer (1955) and Dr de la Chapelle (1964).
The conditions I am referring to do not refer to either syndrome.
A fertile XX male who sired a daughter.
http://frm.cme-congresses.c...
A further case of an XX fertile male who sired 2 daughters
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.go...
A case of a fertile XY female with normal bilateral ovaries (NOT Swyers/Gonadal dysgenesis) who had an unassisted pregnancy)
http://press.endocrine.org/...
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Elin Occasional-Cortex 2 years ago
Your DNA is not your Gender - People know EXACTLY who they are, they are not delusional and it is not their problem if people can't accept it - it's their lives to live as they choose
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Jonesy Elin 2 years ago
The issue is not who they are but what they are. Men who seriously believe they are women ARE delusional. But in my experience only some trans women believe they are women. Many are more honest with themselves and others.
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Star_Gazer_108 Elin 2 years ago
In the early 2000s, after 30 years of solid data, Johns Hopkins Medical Center (who pioneered sex reassignment and surgery in the early '70s) stopped ALL transgender procedures because they found it did NOT help quality of life and in some cases, suicide increased. In the words of their head medical psychologist, they found that they were "cooperating with a mental illness instead of treating it."
Unfortunately, they are back at it solely because they withered under the bullying of the radical left. Same reason that urologist Dr. Church has been BANNED from FIVE hospitals and medical centers in Boston for simply stating that he did not agree with sex reassignment. Folks, this is high tyranny. What are y'all going to do about it? Nothing? More is coming.
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Occasional-Cortex 2 years ago
If you have XY chromosomes you are a biological male. Along with other sex specific characteristics.
That's just science.
If you also believe you are a woman you have a psychiatric delusion.
No different than if you think you are invisible or 17 feet tall, with no supporting factual evidence to support such a belief.
The latter are given psychiatric care. The former are celebrated by the Marxist left who try to normalize every s@xual abnormality as part of their ideological agenda.
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John Dawson 2 years ago
Yup! DNA is Biologically, Scientifically, and most off all Biblically infallible.
Believing otherwise is demoniacal deception at its apex!
Matthew 19:4 (ERV)
4 Jesus answered, “Surely you have read this in the Scriptures: When God made the world, ‘he made people male and female.’[a]
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Joanna Clark John Dawson 2 years ago
Then how would you define a person with XO, XXX, XXY or XYY, or YO?
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jessica valdes John Dawson 2 years ago
You are a liar and demonically deceived. There are some born fertile XY females with the same DNA type as normal fertile XY males. There are also some fertile XX males who produce normal sperm that can fertilize. You are scientifically clueless.
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Elin John Dawson 2 years ago
Lol !!! The Bible ? The greatest book of Fiction & Superstition ever ? So ...... DNA determines Gender exclusively...... but we are suppose to suspend of belief in science when it comes to virgin births - talking snakes - oh, bushing talking ..... a guy living in a fish's.belly for 3 days - people rising from the dead ...... just to mention a few. You can't have it both ways - start by trying to understand the reality is bigger than your limited bigoted views - besides, we have already secured all the political power we will need
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John Dawson Elin 2 years ago
DNA is infallible. Google the definition reprobate.
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Elin John Dawson 2 years ago
DNA does NOT DETERMINE IDENTITY - GOOGLE THAT !
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jessica valdes John Dawson 2 years ago
DNA is far from infallible.
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Elin jessica valdes 2 years ago
DNA does not determine identity - Bigot
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John Dawson jessica valdes 2 years ago
Don't answer a fool when they say something stupid or you will be like him/her.
[On the other hand] answer a fool when they say something stupid or they will think that they are smart.
Proverbs 26:4-5 Paraphrased
Tech savvy but absolutely no commonsense.
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Elin John Dawson 2 years ago
The biggest fools are the idiots who believe in religion - talk about Fake anything - go pray to the imaginary man in the sky - better yet - go join him for the sane people's sake
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Star_Gazer_108 Elin 2 years ago
How is that bigoted? Have you read the Bible? Did you know that all of Jesus' ministry and most of the Old Testament is actual history? Which means it's in the history of the ancient Romans, Jews, Babylonians & Assyrians, Pagans, and into antiquity. It really is all there. There is a book and now a movie called, "A Case for Christ" where a hard boiled Atheist-journalist sets out to prove Christianity as fake as you say. Years of expert uncovering led him to realize that it's all true.
As a stargazer, I'd also like to mention the very cool fact that a Catholic priest from Belgium, Fr. Georges Lemaitre, used Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity to predict the Big Bang. Albert didn't like it and rejected it until Hubble showed him red shift, after which Einstein conceded that it proved God existed.
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Elin Star_Gazer_108 2 years ago
I've read the Bible - studied it - and researched how it was written ....... it is a remarkable collection of ancient writings - however it is filled with the flaws of it's time - you could get more from the interior of the pyramids without the dogma or fake magical events - Just prove Jesus ever existed ? Start there if you want to be judgmental of people in 2017
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John Dawson Elin 2 years ago
Antifa fan I see.
Those who hate God love death.
Proverbs
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Elin John Dawson 2 years ago
I am not a Trump, KKK, Alt Right Fan like you and the Religious Right
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John Dawson Elin 2 years ago
and I'm not a pusillanimous snowflake of the DNC, lgbtq, Antifa, women's lib, MSM, treasonous left wing, plan parenthood genocidal God hating reprobates.
Those who hate God love death. Proverbs
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PhilJourdan Elin 2 years ago
It would be hard to be for Trump AND the KKK since they represent polar opposites. The KKK is a left outfit.
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tjg1984 John Dawson 2 years ago
If your God exists, he made transgender people too. But how do you know that your God exists?
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John Dawson tjg1984 2 years ago
Faith is the substance of things hope for the evidence of things not seen.
You don't see the air but someone told you it exists.
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Elin John Dawson 2 years ago
Well, have Faith - Transgender People are Real - and heck unlike Fake Jesus ..... You can see us
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tjg1984 John Dawson 2 years ago
So you won't believe that trans people's identities are something other than "demoniacal deception at its apex", but we're supposed to just take your word for it on the existence, nature, and will of God? Do you see the problem here?
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Elin tjg1984 2 years ago
He is too big of a pin head to actually be a Christain - our God taught us to love one another, and if memory serves me right - Jesus sought out those others had rejected
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Star_Gazer_108 Elin 2 years ago
Yes He did, and it's a blemish on all humans. We need to be Christians because we can't live like Jesus on our own. It's a slow transformation, and sin exists, which is why there are things like murder, theft, lust, jealousy, same-sex attraction, transgender confusion, etc. It is a disorder of this world which is not the final destination. Google "Rosaria Butterfield"
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BruceW tjg1984 2 years ago
You, like all stupid atheists ask the same dumb question, "how do you know He exists?" Show me some kind of "atheist" proof that He doesn't exist. Well of course you can't it is only your belief. So given the 50/50 chance that he does exist on face value, i'll bet He exists every time. You on the other hand a have a better than a 50/50 chance your going to Hell.
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Elin BruceW 2 years ago
Lol ...... Religious Bigots are all the same ....... Funny, they all get Cancer at the same rate - what exactly does God save you from ? Just admit you are cowards and you need a security blanket too live and go to sleep at night - you need to believe there is a Heaven as you can't handle people dying means they are dead - or you will end soon also ..... you are just cowards
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tjg1984 BruceW 2 years ago
Oh, I'm a "stupid atheist"? Nice name-calling; very persuasive. I don't have a proof that there is no God, of course. But:
“An atheist doesn't have to be someone who thinks he has a proof that there can't be a god. He only has to be someone who believes that the evidence on the God question is at a similar level to the evidence on the werewolf question.” ― John McCarthy
In any case, even if atheists are wrong, there is not necessarily one God; even if there is one God, that God does not necessarily have any sort of issue with transgender people. Not all believers in gods side with you on this.
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anthony james 2 years ago
She's right but not convincing, because she ultimately concedes that if people want to switch, they should at least wait until they're adults. Bad advice all around! The nobler thing to do is simply accept what you really are and deal with it!
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Jonesy anthony james 2 years ago
How is "what you really are" to be defined? We are biologically male or female according to our role in reproduction. Some people feel they were born in the wrong body but that feeling doesn't make it true.
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ClarkeJohnston anthony james 2 years ago
No. Her advice on waiting is well considered.
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anthony james ClarkeJohnston 2 years ago
Waiting doesn't change the reality of things, Clarke. Her advice should not be considered as the prospect should never be entertained in the first place.
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gman1234a 2 years ago edited
I once had a friend that told me he felt claustrophobic in his body as a human entity...I think we all need to adapt to the bodies that we have..Nothing more, nothing less. An inability to do so might be a sign of many things like poor parenting, peer pressure, social surrounding...It's endless, but I think it's psychological not biological.
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Elin gman1234a 2 years ago
Unless you've experienced it ..... you can't understand - nor should you be expected too ........ just don't hate what you can't understand
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Selah Sydney 2 years ago
Per her own admission, Camille Paglia is Transgender. She is just slamming what she calls the "the current transgender wave".
http://www.weeklystandard.c...
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rosi30666 2 years ago
Ok CNS no more of posting that picture of Bruce - it's gross and disgusting.
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Dance1234 2 years ago
Chromosomes are chromosomes. Can't change that.
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jessica valdes Dance1234 2 years ago
Don't need to. There are some born XY females and XX males
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Dance1234 jessica valdes 2 years ago
There are chromosomal disorders, yes, indeed, but they are the exception rather than the rule.
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Jonesy jessica valdes 2 years ago
So do men who want to be women have XX chromosomes and vice versa? If not, what is your point?
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jessica valdes Jonesy 2 years ago
The point is that a woman can be born XY and a fertile male who produces sperm can be born with a normal XX pattern so the chromosome test is far from infallible.
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Jonesy jessica valdes 2 years ago
Intersex conditions and DSDs affect fewer than 2% of the population and don't affect the fact that we are a sexually dimorphic species.
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jessica valdes Jonesy 2 years ago
The fertile XY females are neither an intersex condition or a DSD and are not listed as such
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Jonesy jessica valdes 2 years ago
And the incidence of XY females being fertile is so rare as to be insignificant. I'm still wondering what your point is. The poster above said you can't change chromosomes, which is correct, and you respond with "Don't need to" as if a miniscule numbers of errors expressing genotype in a complex biological system has any bearing on the fact that some people feel they are the wrong gender.
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Elin Dance1234 2 years ago
Gender is in the Brain - can you explain what makes us all different ?
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Dance1234 Elin 2 years ago
Stargazer is correct. Just because a person feels the need to identify with the opposite sex doesn't mean he or she is of the opposite sex. Explain all the plants and animals on earth. Their chromosomes determine which sex they are and they don't argue about it. It is quite natural for them to do what nature has determined they should do. We as humans argue about this simple fact of nature because we have the ability to argue. Our minds give us this ability, but our chromosomes will always have the final say.
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Star_Gazer_108 Elin 2 years ago
"Gender Dysphoria" is in the brain. "Gender" is in the DNA.
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jessica valdes Star_Gazer_108 2 years ago
Gender is not in the DNA
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Jonesy jessica valdes 2 years ago
No, indeed gender is a social construct but the gendered behaviours we are socialised into depend on our biological sex. Abolish gender and let people be as masculine or feminine as they want to be regardless of sex.
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landofaaahs 2 years ago
Better stop Camille, you can't use science or common sense around democrat. And logic is certainly out of the question.
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jessica valdes landofaaahs 2 years ago
Camille has neither
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landofaaahs jessica valdes 2 years ago
No lGBT does.
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Marathon-Youth 2 years ago
The Psychiatrists who make the diagnosis upon which the Surgeon needs to validate the gender reassignment surgery should be held accountable. Their diagnosis has to be 100% accurate. There is no room for error.
But when close to 20% of those who have had this operation regret it then the Psychiatrist is wrong and not held liable. Not only is that Psychiatrist wrong in a diagnosis that the patient is suffering from a malady but the solution of an operation to fix that malady is also wrong.
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Selah Sydney Marathon-Youth 2 years ago
Please provided a verifiable citation for your claim that "close to 20% of those who have had this operation regret it"
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Marathon-Youth Selah Sydney 2 years ago
Sure. One article is in The Federalist which is a conservative Website. Title of the article is "Transgender Regret Is Real Even If The Media Tell You Otherwise"
You can go to The Federalist and type in the headline or do what I did. I googled "20% regret gender reassignment surgery" and the article in The Federalist came up. I also read it elsewhere on google.
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toledofan 2 years ago
Your DNA is you and your building blocks determine your sex. It's pretty simple and can easily be determined by looking between your legs, but, it seems to me that all this cross genderism is just a bunch of nonsense and an excuse to run from reality or to try and be something you're not.
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PhilJourdan 2 years ago
My advice to Camille - stay away from Antifa if you do not want to get sucker punched.
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Elin Guest 2 years ago
As long as we all respect each other's rights - your self mutilation comment simply confirms your pre determined bigotry
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jessica valdes Guest 2 years ago
You are wrong. As demonstrated with the Renee Richards case "according to overwhelming medical evidence this person is now female. You can deny the overwhelming medical evidence but that does not negate it.
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jessica valdes Guest 2 years ago
Actually it is not a biased doctor. it was the finding of the court based upon expert witnesses and yes even the expert witnesses for the USTA had to admit that Renee is phenotypically and morphologically a woman. it was their contention (as is yours) that the chromosomes are the ultimate arbiter. yet that is wrong as even then it was known tat there are some born XY women with the male pattern and vice versa. You need to re-read the chapter called The Wrong Chromosomes or better yet-study this area better. The overwhelming medical testimony is not presented in Second Serve but in the court proceedings and although this is a legal document it does not subtract from the fact that the expert medical testimony all agreed on Renee being a phenotypic and morphologic female scientifically-only that the USTA tried to rely on an outmoded test that does not equal an arbiter of sex anyways.
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jessica valdes Guest 2 years ago
You are wrong and the XY born females and XX born males prove you wrong. Take a refresher bio course-you need it.
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jessica valdes Guest 2 years ago
You are wrong. There are fertile XY females and fertile XX males and it is not up to me to do your homework for you. Clearly you do not know the literature. Further, as I mentioned, XY fertile females are not listed as an intersexed condition. And there ids no difficulty for the XY fertile females-actually they are discovered fortuitously.
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KCK 2 years ago edited
When I was a little girl, I wanted to be a boy so badly! My brother got to do all the cool things and I had to stay behind. It didn't matter that he was older than me and that was the real reason I wasn't allowed to roam the woods alone or walk down city streets by myself (age 6.) NO! It was because I was a GIRL! I was sure of that so I told my grandma I wanted to be a BOY! Here was her to me.
"Sweet, if you want to be a boy, all you have to do is kiss your elbow." You wouldn't BELIEVE how hard I tried to do that but, alas, to no avail. I couldn't do it and I soon quit trying and forgot all about becoming a boy.
Needless to say, it wasn't because I didn't 'feel' like a girl. It was because I wanted to do the things my brother did. When I got old enough, I DID. I was and am, a 'tomboy' but have ALWAYS been female. It's just a kid thing and I think my grandma had the right idea of how to handle it.
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Elin KCK 2 years ago
You have zero idea what you are talking about - amazing the ignorance
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KCK Elin 2 years ago
Actually, I know exactly what I'm talking about. Obviously, you don't.
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Jonesy Elin 2 years ago
I could say the same about you Elin. You are clearly ideologically driven but you are not making coherent arguments. Somebody "feeling" they are a woman even though they were born and raised as male, does not make them a woman, it makes them someone with a medical condition gender dysphoria.
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Star_Gazer_108 Elin 2 years ago
You post many intolerant and snide comments, but where is the data? Where is the science and meat of your belief? Attack, attack, attack. Start posting positive comments to convince us rather than just trolling around.
Those who demand tolerance have none to offer.
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tjg1984 KCK 2 years ago
That is one potential source of feelings of wanting one's body to be different. The solution there, I think, is to basically let all kids do the same things, according to what they're interested in. We need to stop telling kids that this is "just for boys" and that is "just for girls"; that their bodies mean that they must do this but can't do that. Tomboys certainly do exist, as do... whatever the non-pejorative word is for boys.
That is an important change to make, even though I think it's likely that some people will still have gender dysphoria.
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KCK tjg1984 2 years ago
I agree with you. In my case, it was not because I was a girl but, because I was too young. I just didn't realize it at that time
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wrongSock 2 years ago
I am a trans woman who is school studing molecular biology and genetics. Camille Paglia is using an outdated model of human genetics. XX and XY chromosomes do exist. But embryo gender development relies upon multiple genes not stored on either X or Y chromosomes.
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Bos95 wrongSock 2 years ago
But you are and always will be a man. You can't change your DNA.
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jessica valdes Bos95 2 years ago
You are wrong. There are some born XY fertile females and they are like that due to stochastic environmental effects. Thus DNA does NOT equal true sex and need not be changed to effect a sex change. Thus transwoman can become a woman.
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tjg1984 wrongSock 2 years ago
That's interesting. Could you tell us more?
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E_Ruff wrongSock 2 years ago edited
The Weizmann Institute has stated that there are over 6,500 Genes That Are Expressed Differently in Men and Women. Everything from skin, muscle tissue, fat accumulation, left ventricle of the heart, calcium absorption, etc. identify differently in males and females.
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tjg1984 E_Ruff 2 years ago
That's interesting, and it certainly makes sense; there are a lot of differences between men and women. Looking deeper into gene expression, though, it is controlled by hormones in some cases. So you might actually be talking about some of the same changes that transgender people on hormone therapy observe in their bodies.
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wrongSock E_Ruff 2 years ago
I saw this report as well. Their findings were about the complexity of gene expression. And if you change the sex hormones then some gene expressions will change. This makes sense if you consider sex linked characteristics.
Trans women and men go through a 2nd puberty wth hormone replacement therapy. This proves all human cells have the necessary genes to express both typically male and female proteins.
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KCK wrongSock 2 years ago
So, if a trans woman who had all the surgeries and hormone replacement therapies murdered someone and left DNA behind, what would that DNA tell the scientist about the gender of the perpetrator?
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brbg KCK 2 years ago
That DNA would show their "original" gender.
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jessica valdes brbg 2 years ago
Not necessarily. The fertile XY females and fertile XX males would show the incorrect gender according to DNA. DNA is far from infallible.
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GHerblabnik KCK 2 years ago
Depends on their race? Sorry, I couldn't resist based on how messed up our whole society is right now. What's wrong is right and what's right is wrong.
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MLB KCK 2 years ago
It would them nothing about their gender. It would however be conclusive about their biological sex which would be male.
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Kevin 2 years ago
shes right
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Richard Kevin 2 years ago edited
Yes, she has a masters degree from the university of the fvckin' obvious.
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XPh]i[les - Fix Me A Sandwich 2 years ago
uh oh, a liberal has wandered from the hivemind.........QUICK DESTROY HER LEFTIES!!!!!!
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GHerblabnik 2 years ago edited
Well, Ms. Paglia, prepare to taste the same venom from your buddies on the left that we conservatives face every single day. Heck, they may even try to ruin your career.
Truth is truth! Thank you for speaking out the truth ... at least on this issue. The real truth is, even deciding you're gay or transgender or whatever the new fad is when you're older and "informed" does NOT change the fact that making such a decision is still wrong and in reality exposes spiritual and mental issues when you can't figure out what you are.
FEELINGS ARE NOT FACTS.
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Tin-Man GHerblabnik 2 years ago
I could not agree with you more. Feelings vs science and science always wins.
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TransSJW 2 years ago edited
I find it amusing that the "God made you the way you are just accept it" crowd is rallying around a woman who won't accept a heterosexual lifestyle for herself. I also find it amazing that Pagilia would accept a child coming out gay, but accepting a child coming out transgender is "child abuse."
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TransSJW Guest 2 years ago
It is written at just above the 12th grade reading level. Perhaps the problem isn't the paragraph.
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XPh]i[les - Fix Me A Sandwich Guest 2 years ago
and badly spelled no less....
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Mark Marquis 2 years ago
God makes you male or female, and there is nothing you can do about. I know the Satan worshipping left foams at the mouth over it.
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tjg1984 2 years ago
CNSNews.com claims to be a news site, right (if not, maybe it should be renamed)? So how new is this interview? Looking for this video elsewhere, I'm seeing that the interview was done no later than October 2015. Is that news, or is it just desperately clawing at any old thing where somebody famous states the opinion you're trying to promote?
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TxMan tjg1984 2 years ago
What she states about DNA, and that it can't be changed, is not an opinion, it's an absolute Fact!
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jessica valdes TxMan 2 years ago
that is not correct.
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Alleena tjg1984 2 years ago
In stead of discussing the topic, you try to attack the site. Please stay on topic. CNS is simply showing that allowing children to think they can change their gender is wrong.
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tjg1984 Alleena 2 years ago
I am questioning whether this "news" story is actually news. I am asking when the documented event actually occurred. That is on topic in a way that many of these comments are not.
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Virgo tjg1984 2 years ago
Not exactly, though I saw recently that Germaine Greer came out with the same opinion as Paglia, so it's topical. Anyway, when has transgenderism been off the news?
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tjg1984 Virgo 2 years ago
You recently saw that because CNSNews also dredged up a two-year-old interview that somebody else (BBC Newsnight) did with Greer. That's another example of what I'm talking about. Transgender people might be "topical", but CNS isn't covering current stories; they're digging up old comments and interviews with that support their agenda.
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James A. DeHart 2 years ago
There are two sexes, male or female. You are one or the other!!!
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TxMan James A. DeHart 2 years ago
Fact!
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Mark Tipton 2 years ago
Why do those on the left feel so compelled to be so judgmental of who people are based on what they are? I do not have any friends that are defined on race, gender, proclivities or anything else other than their character! And they say we are intolerant?
Glad someone on the left is facing reality!
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tjg1984 Mark Tipton 2 years ago
OK, so you're saying that unlike people on "the left", you'll be friends with anybody of good character? Even a transgender person?
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Saved Forever tjg1984 2 years ago
How can a person with a mental disorder of the sexual persuasion who indulges in the immoral fantasy of gender confusion have good character?
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tjg1984 Saved Forever 2 years ago
Gender identity is not "sexual" in the way that you're making it sound. There are people who have fairly consistent transgender identities from early childhood, long before sex enters the picture. I think that transgender people can absolutely be good people, and I want others to think about that.
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Saved Forever tjg1984 2 years ago
Gender confusion is an immoral fantasy. People of all ages can develop fairly consistent mental disorders. Kids just happen to be the most easily influenced. What you classify as "good people" are seen by the children of God as laborers in wickedness who indulge in the immoral fantasy, refusing to reject and overcome the fleshly desire to be someone they are not and never truly will be.
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tjg1984 Saved Forever 2 years ago
Gender identity isn't "fantasy"; the idea that people who think like you are uniquely aware of the existence, nature, and will of an omnipotent supreme being is fantasy. You talk about kids being easily influenced; tell me, were you raised in your religion, like most religious people are? Is it possible that you only have this idea of God because it was taught to you as a child, or at a similarly impressionable time in your life?
The difference between your religion and a transgender person's gender identity is that the scope of your religion is the entire universe, while transgender people claim to know only themselves. Tell me, which of these sounds more reasonable?
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Saved Forever tjg1984 2 years ago
Immorality seems quite reasonable to a foolish person. I didn't expect you to understand or believe the truth. Gender confusion is absolutely a fantasy. Just as no one can change their ancestry, no one can change their gender. Those who pursue this fantasy through surgery, have only deceptively and falsely disguised themselves. The overwhelming majority end up severely regretting the stupidity which is why the suicide rate is so high.
No, none of my family were religious. I was not raised in a religion. My understanding of God was not taught to me as a child or even as a teenager. In fact, I had to find God on my own, just like everyone should. Anyone who just believes something, especially something spiritual, without making absolutely sure it's right is foolish. As you advertise the fact that you are an enemy of God and make sure everyone knows that you hate Him just remember, when you finally realize the truth, you'll have no one to blame but yourself and at that point, it just might be too late.
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tjg1984 Saved Forever 2 years ago
"The overwhelming majority end up severely regretting the stupidity which is why the suicide rate is so high."
Most of your post is just your opinion and belief, but this is a claim requiring evidence. Do you have evidence that the high suicide rate is post-transition only?
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Saved Forever tjg1984 2 years ago
Most of my post was absolute fact. I never said "only" post-op.
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tjg1984 Saved Forever 2 years ago
OK, I suppose you didn't actually say that. I was interpreting "through surgery" and the idea of "regretting", which implies that one has taken an action. So what was your specific claim? What action do the majority of transgender people regret? And since this is a claim of fact, for which I can find no corroborating evidence, I will ask you once again: Do you have any such evidence?
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Saved Forever tjg1984 2 years ago
Come on now. There are many research studies that prove the suicide rate among homosexuals including transgenders are higher than the general public. "People know that transgender people are at a higher risk of suicide..." http://www.huffingtonpost.c...
How about this little tidbit? "This issue brief examines the disproportionately high rates of substance use by gay and transgender people, which is a significant impediment to the health of this group. Although data on the rates of substance abuse in gay and transgender populations are sparse, it is estimated that between 20 percent to 30 percent of gay and transgender people abuse substances, compared to about 9 percent of the general population." https://www.americanprogres...
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tjg1984 Saved Forever 2 years ago
"studies that prove the suicide rate...higher than the general public" - You are correct that such studies exist. I was not disputing that transgender people attempt suicide at a higher rate than the general public.
What I wanted evidence for was the claim I quoted: that the "overwhelming majority end up severely regretting" transitioning (or whatever you specifically meant by "the stupidity"), and that this regret "is why the suicide rate is so high."
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Saved Forever tjg1984 2 years ago
Of course I meant the stupidity of trying to live a fantasy. All sorts of problems arise from trying to make a fantasy come true. Depression and the other symptoms that cause the high rate of suicide among homosexuals and transgenders are all self inflicted. Instead of feeding the disorder, if they would reject and overcoming it, most of the self inflicted problems that lead to suicide and/or attempted suicide would go away. Many people have overcome that mental disorder and they are much happier for it.
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tjg1984 Saved Forever 2 years ago
I'm still not seeing any evidence for your characterization of the regret rate and specific reasons for suicide. Here's a study showing a 2.2% regret rate for reassignment surgery in Sweden; it doesn't completely disprove your claim, but it establishes a level of evidence that you should meet or exceed: https://www.researchgate.ne...
"Many people have overcome that mental disorder and they are much happier for it." - Do you have any peer-reviewed science on this, not just a handful of anecdotes?
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Saved Forever tjg1984 2 years ago
The world is wicked. It hides and masks the truth. Only those with a seared conscience never regret trying to live a lie. Your "level of evidence" is just for people who "applied" for reversal back to their original sex. You best believe that most will definitely regret it in one way or another, sooner or later. Common sense says it's so. No worldly peers needed.
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tjg1984 Saved Forever 2 years ago
In other words, you have nothing but your religion. That's what I thought, honestly.
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Saved Forever tjg1984 2 years ago
No, common sense is what I have and it seems you are void of it.
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Alleena tjg1984 2 years ago
You are simply a troll and will be ignored.
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tjg1984 Alleena 2 years ago
It's kind of funny to make a comment telling somebody you're ignoring them. But to give a serious answer, I'm not trying to troll. I want to actually talk to people about this.
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MichaelGC Alleena 2 years ago
A concern troll, to be exact.
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OK_Loyalist 2 years ago edited
So it's not what's in your jeans, it's what's in your genes. Got it!
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TxMan OK_Loyalist 2 years ago
Exactly!
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Truth Seeker 2 years ago
I appreciate Paglia's willingness to break with the progressive group think and expose the dark side of the transgender craze. Joseph Mengele would fit right in with the people who are propagating this experimental nightmare.
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Thomas Hayes Truth Seeker 2 years ago
Yep, remember we're fighting both the left and the right. We need to applaud the truth no matter where it comes from. It's the only way to create unity and move forward with the MAGA agenda! Btw check out http://allthiswinning.com for a list of 200+ President Trump accomplishments
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ar05076 2 years ago
If you show liberals the truth they melt......; - ) .....!
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Trippn21 2 years ago
DNA. So it's still PC to call a trans-woman a him.
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tjg1984 Trippn21 2 years ago
No, it isn't "PC". It's deliberately disrespectful. If you want to be deliberately disrespectful of a trans woman, call her "him".
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cadcoke5 tjg1984 2 years ago
You have the freedom to spit in the face of your creator.... well at least until you sit before his thrown at the final judgement. But, you don't have the freedom to require others to spit in the face of their God. It is quite disrespectful to do so.
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tjg1984 cadcoke5 2 years ago
Transgender people aren't trying to disrespect God. They're trying to do the best they can with what they were given.
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TransSJW cadcoke5 2 years ago
My creator made me exactly as I am... a trans person. He also gave me medical science that allowed me to resolve matters so that I could move on with life. What would Jesus do? He would call me by the pronoun I prefer because that's just t he way He is.
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cadcoke5 TransSJW 2 years ago
tjg1984 and TransSJW, would it be fair for someone who asserts they are fat, even though others view them as underweight? "God gave me this challenge with being overweight, to help develop my character! Doctor, I need gastric bypass surgery."
Hopefully, no doctor would accept that statement, and would reject the "overweight" person's request for gastric bypass. Rather, they would refer the person for psychological counseling.
What would Jesus do? In the Scripture, which He is the source of, he prohibits men from wearing women's clothes. He spoke against transgenderism in both the OT and NT. So, I expect Jesus to be consistent with himself as God. He has the option to provide supernatural healing. But, even for the repentant, that is not a guarantee during our time on Earth. I know this is an issue that, like many body dysmorphic disorders, may be a struggle for the person their whole life.
Asserting that God made transgenders a different gender from their actual gender is both a sure way to make it worse. It is also a rejection of God's design.
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TransSJW cadcoke5 2 years ago
Jesus wrote none of the bible. Not one word of it. He's quoted often however, and only in the New Testament. The Old Testament is a collection of works that is primarily old Jewish text. Jesus did speak to the Old Testament (Old Covenant), and essentially fulfilled it for Christians, whereupon He gave us the New Testament (New Covenant). There were occasions where he actually corrected and illuminated Mosaic law. As for men wearing women's clothing (you're referring to Deuteronomy 22:5), that was actually a article of war, which prohibited women from wearing a soldier's garb, and soldiers wearing women's clothing (so as to disguise themselves).
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cadcoke5 TransSJW 2 years ago
Then our fundamental disagreement is not over transgenderism. Rather, it is who the God of the bible is.
Jesus is God. He is also called the "Living Word" in scripture. Scripture says all things were created by and through him. Scripture also claims that "All scripture is God-breathed".
Unless this is settled between us, then no amount of quoting scripture has any bearing.
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TransSJW cadcoke5 2 years ago
The Bible was originally written in several ancient languages and dialects that are difficult to read, and we are just learning to understand the words in their context in order to properly translate them. Worse yet, many parts of the Bible have been editorialized by translators trying to spin their agendas. God may have breathed the original concepts, but man has thoroughly made a mess of them.
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cadcoke5 TransSJW 2 years ago
The O.T. is written in Hebrew and a small portion in Aramaic, during the Babylonian captivity. The N.T. mostly in Greek with a few Aramaic phrases. All continue to be spoken today, and all have a very large body of written historical documents.
As for "editorializing" , if you are referring to those copying manuscripts... the O.T. was put to a test. Parts were buried for around 2,000 years, (The Dead Sea scrolls) and then uncovered for us to compare what we have today. And it passed the test!
If by editorializing, you are referring to modern translators, the paraphrased versions, yes they might be editorialized. But, not the true translations. And pastors have training in at least some of the languages, so that they can, at least, understand any of the issues, and do research to discern if a translator is editorializing.
If we look at the writings of someone like Joseph Smith from
the Mormons, you can even look up the original writing from him. But, we see things like a city being referred to as being to the south, when it is to the north, etc. That is what a human source looks like. But, we don't get that from God's Word. We have clear indications, that this from God, who maintained the integrity of his Word over thousands of years.
And by "God breathed", I am not referring to simply to concepts being inspired, like a pretty scene may inspire a poem. We refer to scripture as, the Word of God for
a reason. Many times we read "Thus says the Lord", and other things that indicate that scripture comes from God. Here is another related verse, "...that when you received
the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God, which is at work in you believers. (1 Thess 2:13)
Concerning transgenderism; The concepts of male and female are universal. It takes one of each for people to produce a child. According to Mark 10:5-9 Jesus cited “male and female he created them” quoting from Genesis. So, Jesus was certainly on board with the whole binary gender thing, in addition to his being the source of all Scripture anyway.
As for Deut 22:5, where in that passage does it refer to
military clothing, or disguising oneself in war? Even the verses before and after have nothing to do with war or uniforms. I just now looked up the Hebrew, and don’t see that. Some have speculated that they were referring some pagan practices, but the passage does not indicate that this is part of the reasoning. Rather, it looks very much to be a blanket statement about cross dressing. Now who is editorializing scripture to promote an agenda?
Nowhere in scripture is transgenderism spoken about positively. Rather, it is condemned repeatedly. It is really quite clear.
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TransSJW cadcoke5 2 years ago
By the way, if you want to really dig into the "editorializing," read Ehrman's work on the rehabilitation of Peter. The original source text of the New Testament doesn't confer Church leadership to Peter. This appears to have been added later.
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TransSJW cadcoke5 2 years ago
Sure many of those languages exist today, but the dialect, and the idioms used have changed drastically. It's like comparing Old English with modern english. They are almost two entirely different languages. The same is true for Ancient Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew. We continue to learn and understand. After all, why do you think we continue to have new editions of the Bible? Try reading some of Bart Ehrman's work. His study is both illuminating, and disturbing.
As for Mark 10, Jesus did say there were male and female, but He did preclude intersex or transgender people. Tell me where the "only" is in his statement. Then the venerable Deuteronomy 22:5. This is a rule of war. In the original, the Hebrew word "geber" is used for the word "man". In all of Deuteronomy, the word geber is used only twice, both times in that verse. Everywhere else in Deuteronomy, when they refer to man, they use the word "Illiesh." What's the difference? "Geber" specifically means "strong man," or "soldier". Further, the phrase "that which pertains" to the man, more accurately translates to "shields" the man. In essence, the verse tells us that God doesn't want a woman wearing a soldier's clothing, nor does He want soldiers to disguise themselves as women. Very different take, isn't it? Words matter.
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cadcoke5 TransSJW 2 years ago
yes, language changes. But, if a language is kept active, you have a large body of historical documents to see how things have changed. For example in English, the word "Charity" is now used exclusively for acts of love to help the poor. But, we also know that it historically was used for broader acts of love. We know this because of the older writings that we have. So, we have resources to help us understand these older versions of languages.
Concerning Gerber, In Exodus 12:37, "... There were about six hundred thousand men on foot, besides women and children.
" It is Gerber used here. And this has Moses himself spanning the time that Gerber is used here, and later in Deut.And while the word translated "pertains" can be used for armament, it is also used for a lot of non-military things. It is often "stuff" without the word carrying specific information about what sort of stuff, except for the context of the rest of the passage. So, this verse still seems to be focused on a blanket, broad ban on wearing the opposite gender's clothes.The big picture shows that all of scripture is very binary. And it is not only with clothing that God forbids men to act like women, but, in sexual relations as well.
Male and female are not words for which we don't have an historical understanding of what they meant. They have always been identified by the reproductive organs. And even today, if you read a veterinary text book, I would expect that identifying the gender of an animal does not involve asking it what gender it feels like.
Jesus had no problems violating the cultural norms of his day. He also had no problem confronting the religious leaders either. As creator, He had the right to re-define what gender was if he wanted to. He could have said "God made them male, and female, and plus a few other gender-fluid things".... but he is consistent as he has always been as creator and the source of all true scripture.
There is no place for Transgenderism in scripture.
Your effort on looking up words related to this topic, indicates that you perhaps have a higher view of scripture, than I initially thought. If you really reject the idea that we have been given a good copy and a good understanding of the originals, then all this looking up of how words are used is a waste of time. Why not simply reject any passage that you disagree with, and say "this didn't come from God."
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TransSJW cadcoke5 2 years ago
I think we're all neophytes when it comes to seeking the mind and heart of God. We often consider ourselves clever when we descipher an aspect of physics. We forget though that God created physics and has all the answers. He created it after all. To think we can somehow understand all of His mind is a fool's errand. It simply cannot be done by us. There is a quote (and I can't recall the originator) that says the difference between what the most and least learned man knows is insigificant when compared to all that is unknown. Considering that God knows all, then the difference between what the least and the greatest minds among us knows is insigificant when compared to what God knows. Compared to God, we are all simpletons.
Since then we are all simple, that the path to Heaven must be relatively simple. Jesus laid it out for us in its most simple terms. Love one another as I have loved you. If someone is transgender, is it well to mock that person and call them a fool? Is it right to hurt them by refusing to refer to them by their desired pronouns? Is it instead better to embrace them, take them at face value and see the good in them? For that matter, would Jesus really condemn a gay person?
I truly think that Jesus's entire point was for us to learn to get along. God is preparing a place for us in Heaven. What type of people does he want for his Kingdom? Those who are mocking and hateful? Those with petty jealousies? Those who are haughty and unkind? I think God wants loving, industrious, loyal and generous people for Heaven. Ones who don't judge others. Ones that take others at face value and love them. Is any of that really in the Bible? Some perhaps. The Bible is an interesting guide, but only from about 10,000 feet. If we get mired in the minutiae we lose sight of the bigger and simpler picture. As Cat Stevens wrote in "The Boy With the Moon and the Stars on His Head," "I'll tell you everything I've learned, and Love is all, he said."
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cadcoke5 TransSJW 2 years ago
It is not loving to say to an underweight anorexic
individual, “Congratulations on losing 10 pounds”. Nor, it is loving to refer to a man, who thinks they are female, as anything but as a man. Though, name calling, or abuse would be wrong.
Scripture also calls us to judge. 1 Cor chapters 5 to 6 go over this in detail, and even rebukes that church for failing to judge. And it is not just that one passage. In both the O.T. and N.T. God’s people are repeatedly called to judge. Here are just a few of them. Amos 5:14-15, Psa 37:30, 1 John 4:1.
Some have misused Jesus call for us to love, as a blanket
approval for many sinful things. But, this is truly twisting what he has said. A kleptomaniac may feel like they need to steal things. But, theft is wrong, and it is not unloving
to say so. Transgenderism is the same.
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TransSJW cadcoke5 2 years ago
Anorexia nervosa can kill. Kleptomania hurts others. Transsexuality, properly treated, does not. Proper treatment can restore a transgender patient to health and to productivity, provided they concurrently receive support of those around them. The bullying you describe: repeatedly and systemically calling a transgender person by the wrong pronoun can drive that person into a suicidal depression, before or after transition. That is not of God. Doing that to someone is patently evil.
Before transition, I was depressed, suicidal, and well on my way to alcoholism. Repairative therapy was only making it worse. Now post transition, I'm content, remarried, running an engineering company, employing people, and serving my clients. I thank God for guiding me through the process of transition. I have a bible I took with me into all my surgeries. Each time, the doctors and surgical team signed it. I cherish it.
Corinthians was written by Paul, a man. Jesus, who was God incarnate, said not t o judge. Who do you go with? I'll go with Jesus.
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E_Ruff TransSJW 2 years ago
The Weizmann Institute has stated that there are over 6,500 genes that
are expressed differently in men and women. Everything from skin,
muscle tissue, fat accumulation, left ventricle of the heart, calcium
absorption, etc. identify differently in males and females. Sorry, but medical science cannot change that.
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jessica valdes E_Ruff 2 years ago
That is all irrelevant when you consider the born XX males and born XY females.
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TransSJW E_Ruff 2 years ago
That's all well and good, but gender identity itself is not established via genetics, but rather hormones around the 20th week of fetal development.
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flart blooger TransSJW 2 years ago
i've got no problems with your statements. they are reasonable. i think paglia's are too. if you are dug up by archeologists in a thousand years, they will claim that you are a man or a woman based on you bones.
the child abuse thing is of concern too. when i was 16 i really thought i was a girl inside. it passed. i have ideas on what might have been the reason but they are of no consequence to the argument. it passed and i am very happy with who i am.
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TransSJW flart blooger 2 years ago
If the archeologists were to dig up my bones (I expect to be cremated actually), they would probably discover that I am transgender. Interesting, that they've found this before. It should come as a surprise to no one that homosexuality and Transgenderism are as old as sexuality and gender itself.
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Saved Forever TransSJW 2 years ago
Nope, some kind of abuse, neglect, trauma or some other type of wickedness in your past has caused you to develop a mental disorder of the sexual persuasion. God didn't make you that way and Jesus would not condone your attitude, words or deeds.
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TransSJW Saved Forever 2 years ago
Sorry, but no abuse, neglect, or trauma in my life. I had wonderful parents and an idyllic upbringing. We went to church weekly, and I have a great relationship with God.
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Saved Forever TransSJW 2 years ago
The truth is, if it was not some kind of abuse, neglect or trauma, then it was some other type of wickedness in your past. An outward influence of something you were subjected to, most likely as a child.
Did the church you grew up in preach against homosexuality and perversion? If they taught you worldly tolerance of immorality then that is a major part of the wickedness you were subjected to. As far as your relationship with God, only the elect are His children and they do not labor in wickedness to promote sexual perversion and/or gender confusion (1Co_6:9-10). Many people think they will go to heaven but have actually deceived themselves (Mar_7:21-23).
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TransSJW Saved Forever 2 years ago
There was no wickedness. You want the world to be wrapped in a neat, clean package with a bow, and its not. Babies are born with all sort of medical issues that weren't the result of anyone's "wickedness". Fortunately, He gave us medical science to help sort some of it out.
The church I grew up in, for your reference, was the Catholic Church. I spent 12 years in Catholic Schools, and got all the admonishments against immorality that the Vatican could serve to us. In the end, if we were gay, we were gay. If we were transgender, we were transgender. You can't preach or pray that away. It's been tried. I tried. It simply doesn't work. I could no more change me into being a straight cisgender individual, than I could change you into a gay transgender one.
Remember, that Jesus never once condemned a gay person, (in fact he did talk about them, and once even healed a Centurion's same-sex lover), but on several occasions condemned those who would pass judgement against another person. Perhaps you should heed His word.
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Saved Forever TransSJW 2 years ago
Deformation, disease and all the "medical issues" were brought about because of sin and wickedness. Medical science can only treat the symptoms, it can't cure the problem.
Ah, the Catholic church. That explains it and I'm not surprised. That is a major part of that "wickedness" I was talking about. If you can "transition" from one gender to another then you can surely reject and overcome the wicked fleshly desire to be something you are not. Many, many people have done it. Why can't you?
Jesus never condemned anyone. People condemn themselves as you have done by perverting the scriptures. The Centurion had no same sex lover, it was his servant. You must have missed these scriptures being busy with all the non-biblical and wicked traditions of the Catholic church:
Rom 1:26,27 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Furthermore, God demands that His children REBUKE the evil doers. 2Ti_4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
Why are you not following His word?
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Kevin Crum TransSJW 2 years ago
Delusional
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TransSJW Kevin Crum 2 years ago
Matt 5:22. Be careful brother.
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Twenty_Squared TransSJW 2 years ago
Really?
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TransSJW Twenty_Squared 2 years ago
Really.
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Officer sweetchuck TransSJW 2 years ago
You are still whatever sex you were born as, and you trying to make everyone else live in your fantasy makes no sense whatsoever.
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TransSJW Officer sweetchuck 2 years ago
It does make sense. We live in a society that works best when we get along and don't troll each other for no good reason. Do you walk into restaurants and tell overweight people not to get desert or that they should get more exercise? Of course not. It's called "civilized" society for a reason.
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Officer sweetchuck TransSJW 2 years ago
Nope, but if a fat person tries to tell me they are not fat and they don't eat bad I will tell them "yes you are" and " yes you do"
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Officer sweetchuck TransSJW 2 years ago
I didn't say a person shouldn't do it hell do it by all means but don't expect others to call you whatever gender you feel like you are. If a person feels black but they are white Im not going to say they are magically black.
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BinRaleigh 2 years ago
If this is a real article Camille can expect to be thrown under the bus.
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BigGuy1949 BinRaleigh 2 years ago
Not really. She's immune to that "tow the progressive narrative" crap. Regardless of her personal lifestyle choice, Camille has been an independent thinker for years, exhibiting a lot of pragmatic common sense.
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MichaelGC BinRaleigh 2 years ago
If siimply stating the obvious gets you thrown under the bus, we're done.
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Mark Tipton MichaelGC 2 years ago
Try to engage in rational conversation with Antifa, the American Communist Party, Black Lives Matter or the Democrat Socialist Party in the vaunted halls of Congress and watch their reaction when you state the obvious.
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TxMan Mark Tipton 2 years ago
Very good point!
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Marco, the Great 2 years ago
Exactly! It is all in your DNA.
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jessica valdes Marco, the Great 2 years ago
WRONG
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Marco, the Great jessica valdes 2 years ago
WRONG! Bye Bye SnowFlake ...
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